Tuesday 6th September, 2011- Academic Forum: Future Prospects of India- Jpana Partnership in Education (Including the Special Discussion on Creating Nalanda as a Template for Academic Excellence)

Mr. Ankur Mehra, Moderator: Once again I take this opportunity to welcome you to the India Japan Global Partnership Summit, and more specifically to the Academic Forum on Future prospects of India-Japan partnership in education space. We also have special discussion today on Nalanda University as a Model of academic Excellence. My Name is Ankur Mehra and I am a co founder of Guruvantage which is the associate partner of the academic forum. In the recent times we have seen that the japan and india have been coming on the front faced for most of the global innovation that are coming across while india is a human resource super power and japan is technical country super power as well. It is about the time that both the countries could now join hands and look for modes of engagement by utilizing the skill set between both the countries. We have an esteemed panelist today, discussing the concept and potential of India partnership India and japan partnership in the space of education and academics so we can start off with the discussions today. I will request Tamotsu Tokunaga San to kindly come across and give us a view on the future prospect between India & Japan education.

Tamotsu Tokunaga: Thank you very much for your introduction, my name is Tokunaga and I am from national institute for policy and research. First of all I would like to speak about the university level exchanges between japan and India and as it has been introduced by the coordinator, we are viewed as a super power in education, we have a lot of hope in future however at this point we do not act as a comparable to the super power. Now let’s take a look at the exchanges between japan and India in high education in India. Number of international students studying in Japan (May 2010) is 546 and scholarship has been given to 220 individuals by the ministry of education of Japanese government and the government scholarship was 21 was given to 21 individual and then we have exchange agreements between universities, number of exchange agreement of the A2 university agreements stands at 114. And then Japanese universities have the overseas spaces the number stand at 5. Then moving on the next page, this shows the condition of number of students studying outside of japan and also coming in to japan. 14000 students are coming to japan to study in this country and as you can see we have increase of the number of students coming in to japan but as can be seen here in blue we see the decrease in the number of student studying outside of japan. Some people say that Japanese students are more inward looking but the one more thing that we can notice the number of 18 years old are decreasing so going back to 546 figure that I mentioned we have to say that the total number of the exchange is 14000 so in that respect we have to say that the exchanges between india and japan is too small as compare to the size of the other country. Then looking in the next page, we are receiving exchange students from china and other country as it shown here. May be the fact is contributing factor is vicinity we have if the students from Indonesia, Thailand and Malaysia. If you make comparison the top part is number of student in the homeland so this shows the size of the total education. India is by far the largest country in this regard and in the second column show the number of student studying in japan and then if you take a look at it the when the re show is shown here and it is compare the total number of student in india. Number of the percentage of students studying in japan is 0.004 which is smaller than the size of the students. so if you make a comparison here for example Thailand and Malaysia and if you raise a level to 0.1 or 0.26 then we are able see the large increase in the number of students going to japan to study in this country or we see the increase in number of the students that in India and then this is a number of students from india. From India how many students are going to study abroad in which country? so the largest number of student are going to UK which stands at 25901 that   could be affection of historical relationship when even larger number are shown in US as many as 94000 students are going to united states to study there and then the comparison in which japan is that. The number of student studying in japan is only 513. This is very unfortunate data. But we have to face with this and they try to do something. We are not happy with this. We should not complain with this situation we have to see drastic increase in number of the students studying in japan. University are lacking behind and percentage of international students in master and doctor courses, so this shows percentage of the exchange student or the foreigners that the studying in the post graduate courses and we have to say that the percentage we have accepted is much much smaller than other countries. It will be a difficult to say that we should be number one but we should be arch rate country in among OECD country which is about 10% of the Japanese. The master courses and doctor courses should be non Japanese students that they kind of things we have to see in the future. In order to do that national government is working on the new initiative named 30000 international students plan that is to increase the number of student to accept like 30000 in order to do this internationalization in the universities are most important shown here as in order to accept 30000 international students the comprehensive the content of education should be established and at the same time courses should be given in English. so these are the kind of services that should be provided by the universities for the purposes the industry and government academia collaboration should be realized and they said the bullet point is specific measures in order to invite to study the students from abroad, we have to come up with various measures for the incentives. there are many challenges for the students who wish to come to japan for example visa, the duration is only three months but in order for the students to have a more time seeking for jobs and we send it for the duration for the students is for one whole year. Next one here is new course strategy. This is to publicize activities of the Japanese universities. Let this decision made by the new government of the DGA. this is outline of the new course strategy and then there is some part covered by the education and please refer to right hand side number of student studying outside japan to be increased and 3000 students should be accepted to japan at the same time 3000 Japanese students to go outside of japan to studying in foreign countries. In order to that again internationalization of the universities are very important. Please refer to page 9, this chart shows Japanese students studying abroad and number is still small but many students as it shown here are studying in United States and in North America and also in china and other Asian countries and there has been immense advance of the receiving countries. So we have to make sure more balanced picture here including India. So studying last year the government has been the working on the budget preparation so that necessary support is given to the students. We should study in the country where the traditionally Japanese studies are not studying. Please refer to page 10, this shows the project for servicing university network for internationalization. Strategically at the many, some of the universities have been very aggressive in receiving and sending the students. For the foreign universities, we use the term global cities has chosen for basic qualification more than ready to accept student and send student to lots of Japanese universities. Ministry of education is providing subsidy in order to enhance the situation. This is not only for the university but all the other university in japan who is not able to get the hold of the subsidy also it is possible to use that the location or these at the universities as a serving point for the each countries. Students start studying in japan and we decided to have 5 locations in India this year in November in Delhi. That make a university became the care taker of the office and there is opening ceremony which I attended myself and also Tokyo university establishing a office in south india and other university related to this activity is shown here on page 11. I talked about the programmes related to the education and then the small size research is another topic so this is the initiative in which we have newly emerging infectious disease so the Japanese research institutes and the universities are working on the appendices that the taking place on the out brakes of the infectious diseases which are newly emerging. Okayama University is now serving as the secretariat for this activity and then please refer to the next page. Sorry this is not written in English but this is written in commercial white paper 2010 serviced by amity. Left hand side top is china. Right hand side top is Indonesia, left hand side bottom is India and right hand side bottom is Thailand and third item, fourth line from the top is in the education. India’s the expenditure for education services have the modern doubled in India. In that respect we are able to say there is an opportunity for Japanese university going to country so that we are able to expand the higher education in the country. This is what we have as a realization of the situation so we are more than ready to have more effort in that regards.

Moderator: That was a very insightful presentation on the education exchange in japan. May I now request Mr. Kenichi Arai who is director of Bennese Education Research and development center to let us know about the Bennese leading edge, R & D activities in the fields of education and its applications for the front of the learning world.

Mr. Arai: Good afternoon my name is Arai. I am director at Benesse Education Research and development center of Benesse Corporation. Thank you very much for your invitation. I was given these R & D activities of Benesse. I am not sure whether I am able to be with your expectations but still I have prepared my presentation material. Please take a look. I understand that the presentation material is already given to the person in charge.

Moderator: Let’s go to the next speaker, in mean time we will get your presentation up. We will come back to you. I request Mr. D.K. Banwet, President, Indian Society for Training and Development (ISTD), India to give his perspective on the training and education system in india, the pros and cones and what he thinks can be done in the partnership in education between japan and India.

Mr. D.K. Banwet: Thank you. Welcome to this session. I wear different hats, one as the president elected this year for the Indian Society for Training and Development the other hat which I really get my bread & butter, that is being at the department of management studies at the IIT Delhi. So I try to combine both these aspects because given my terms and reference for training and development I might like to take a different view. As an educationist, I think I will start off with very important concept of 0 that was given by an Indian. Unfortunately we in India have stayed very close to 0. But others have made use of this concept of 0 especially Japanese whether it’s defected 0 or affected 0 lead time 0 maintenance and many of those other things. There are the concepts which are probably we thought that the customer is the prime purpose for which we exists somehow we have forgotten him. And for me the word customer may be in the Indian dialogue, customer is one “jo cust se mare” the one who dies of pain. And I have tried to look at the education system in slightly different manner and I said I would like to see the system point of view that there is set of inputs coming in there is set of transformation, value addition , processing that we are doing, resulting and set of out puts and I think one of my students who worked in the area of education looked at there are different customers input customer in terms of student in terms of parents in terms of the conversion units by way of faculty and the staff and the technologies that we used for converting or adding value to this set of input to that are coming to the out puts that from the system by way of customers which are sometime called as external customers that are going to the society at the large the corporate are engaging in them. we just had Mr. Banga at the annual convocation at the other day when he said that when he graduated from IIT, he was looking for a job outside the country there was lot of what is called as brain drain, some people said brain drain is better than the drain in the rain and some have conceptualize that as brain bank and today we find that the situation has so change it is B2B, back to Bombay or back to Bangalore that people from abroad are coming back. There must be something in that. There is lot of changing that is taking place. I think those who went ahead and coming back I would like to see education my way of input in to, let us say in to the IIT’s where there is such a great rush for coming in to IIT system of appearing through what is called as JEE, joint entrance exams where more than 4 lacs students appear for the examination about 10 lacs for the AIEEE. Number of seats may be just 5000 in the IIT system, number of seats for AIEEE about 9000 and in the management there is what is called is CAT, the common admission by IIM. we used to have JMET also for joint management entrance test for MBA programnmes in IIT and IIC Bangalore but in this so called variety reduction may be only CAT is going to stay and no other because IIM’s is depositary frontiers in management. We in the technology have a slight difference we have brought in the management education in to the engineering institutions. One sought of brain drain we felt was all the engineers going to the IAEMS for the management programme that was to arrest the local brain drain we introduced courses on management at the undergraduate level other than your major area of specialization. we also have minor area specialization on management of engineering system, very well conceived and conceptualized and most of the student in batches of 150 – 200 wanted offer that because they are later on wanting to go the management schools. So we also have encouraged entrepreneurship in to the area and I feel happy that I been invited for taking about the incubation experiences of IIT at Waseda university when I used to link one of my colleagues here that me and Dr. Sethi from NTU and two other from US and talked about the incubation experience. There is no doubt. No problems of our IIT graduate getting jobs but becoming an entrepreneur and giving jobs to the other so it is different cup of tea. Many people get in to an entrepreneurship because may be they are not getting a job. Whereas here there is no problem of jobs for them it is that the entrepreneur capabilities that we try to invite them that is why we have a lot of invention has been made of smaller medium enterprises. We have now micro small and medium enterprises, the MSME which is coming. We are trying to have developing skill competences for setting up and managing small and medium enterprises.  A very unique programmes which is sponsored by SIDBI, Small industries development bank of India. there is SIDBI and I said in terms of 3 module one module one phase where we try to give the introductory management concepts, small business management the next 8 weeks industry internship. They go to a small industry and the next two week they come back and try to integrate upon the whole thing. That is one very unique feature, it was a seminal progarmme along with SIDBI when we started and most of IIT’s have really introduced some of these courses. So as I said, I am wearing different hats, the other one in terms of training & development which happen to be the president that there is society for training and development. One is education and other is training and other is development. Education may be sometime we think only in terms of mathematics and analysis and may be too much of analysis could lead to par analysis. what I think is taking or adopting, what is called as holistic or a systems approach to whatever you do whether its decision making or looking at the education par say or looking at the para system point of view. We are trying to bring all the systems together, trying to bring in collaboration, positive synergy so that one and one could make eleven not just two what are mathematics professors told us but many time we know LP as leg pulling not linear programming and one and one does not make 2, it makes 0 and I think what is important is that alignment is necessary. This is the time reminded me of Rabindranath Tagore what I want I don’t get and what I get I don’t want what I want even I don’t really want it may be just as a fluke I asked for that and I think that is what happen as a customer in terms of quality and what you want you don’t get and what you get you don’t want. so keeping a customer as a focus as I said training is term of the short term where is development in terms of sustainability and in the long run that is what is important and I think there is micro or macro are just looking and hearing at some of the DMIC and I think there is great scope for lots of skills and development skill up gradation in some of the things that has already listed there. Now the training can be given at the different level to the top people, strategic level you require conceptual skills. At the bottom level you require more of technical skills. You required skills almost everywhere. So my friends unfortunately sometime say that you can use the same tool irrespective of the audience. I think it is very important that each customer is, we are not talking of mass manufacturer we are talking of mass customization, how each customer is so really important each one has got his own demands and desires and how we can fulfill them and so from customer satisfaction which is expected to customer delight that what we are looking for. And I think in one of the 8th Asian quality Network conclaves which we had in Delhi recently quality in various sectors one of them was education which I was coordinating the other one is manufacturing the other in governance etc. etc. in healthcare and in many of those things. I think we have presented one paper using carneros productivity model and I was there and I have that photograph along with me where just in manufacturing strategy as order qualifiers and order winners. here there are set of basic needs and little bit of interaction and little bit higher brining in that aspect of customer delight rather than just customer satisfaction. I think that is very important that you, your self should be convinced before you try to convince others. You, your self should have been able to understand yourself before he start making others understand what you do and I think putting yourself in the customer shoes, is where the shoe pinches ask teachers ask trainers because the teacher was also a student, the father was also a son and this generation gap that is there I think that is really important to bring in that alignment. So there are many thing which I have down the line, India is globalizing, world is going through major changes resulting in a border less world. One friend talking of border less world, why this visa, why this, why that, why can’t I just walk in and walk out like the birds who just can cross borders without thinking any sort of visas. I think that would be happy situation if we also could have border less world and I think what is important is or what is really missing is what I called as specialized deafness and dumbness. We cannot even understand each other, may be industrial, engineer, the inventory man cannot understand the scheduler or in mathematics may be optimizer may be not able to understand numerical analysis guy or in physics solid physic guy or nuclear physic guy, they don’t even understand each other. I think what is important is removing the shackles or heights of specialization and most of our management degrees or even engineering discipline. we believe in mechanical engineering, electrical and basically mechanical engineer moved in to management industrial engineering. I think this level have to move from this cycle of park excellence in to integration from isolation to integration I was talking about the supply chain management is nothing new. it had existed much earlier where this project management or quality everything is in existence only thing is that networking and the complexity have changed and I think what was simple have become complex and as teachers, it was teachers day yesterday, we missed it, but I think teachers we should make it as simple as possible, keep it simple stipend as it say but then it will make it too simple but other take it too lightly then perhaps complicated little bit more. I think I will stop here because there are lots which I could carry on saying but in terms of some these new techniques that we have dreamed in to force is lot of application of ICT in to whether this is technology enable learning, if people cannot come to IIT’s then IIT’s are cassettes are the made to NPTL. Lot of these courses are now being videotaped so some of them can be then made you soft keeping the clientele in mind that is not the brilliant JE guys but someone else to keep that level so lot of this NPTL lot of through the satellite more which we have, we are also taking classes in Ethiopia and other places so I think it’s possible that the interaction which was not there possible. I remember when I was a student the teacher come, looked at the board, talked to the board and went away. Today is other way round when I am looking at you and try to get in to mingle with you because I do not know everything. I think the more you know, the more you come to know, the more to know that whatever you know that is bit in the ocean of knowledge. Sun always rises in the East and I think now wisdom is donning. Let us look at the east from America and others there was conclave india has universe MBA looking in to the east and I think it is good whether it is Gautam Budh or the heroes from where ever we have invented. Things are there unfortunately we like to redesign in the wheel itself and from data to information to knowledge to wisdom we try to follow that beaten track, why not from data information to wisdom itself. Now I will conclude I can understand the difficulty of the moderator and chairman. Thank you so much.

Moderator: Thank you very much for your time Dr. Banwet. May I now request Mr. Arai to continue with the presentation where he left off? It’s been sorted out now. There was some technical problem. We have the presentation with us now.

Mr. Arai: Thank you very much. My presentation slides are back so I would like to speak about R & D Activities of Benesse Corporation. Benesse Corporation was established in 1955 as the Fukutake Publication which is the educational organization. Fukutake is a name of founder of the company and he was a teacher. Fukutake publishing was established in order to provide teaching tools and text books and then in 1990 it was developed in to the corporation. Benesse is consisting of two things Bene and Essay. This means is well being and in 1995 it was renamed as Benesse corporation. Capital size is shown here and number of employee is shown here as well. It is a leading company in the field of education in japan. Education is a very important pillar for Benesse Corporation. about education we have established a dedicated research institute this is called Benesse education on research and development center, BERD in short before BERD we did have the several educational institute and then in 2005 all the smaller institutes were emerged in to one to form BERD. We have six areas of research, one is Research into higher education and the second is research in to ICT enhanced education in what way are we able leveraging on the strength of ICT and third is the education related survey and the forth is research in to English language education. We have curriculum of course of study so in new the course of study from the elementary school English education is encouraged so from the elementary school were before the pre scholar to the elementary school student English education is given and then the 5th item is research of educational assessment. As you know as we can in the OECD we have educational assessment system so we try to understand new trend in the education themes so this is the reason why we have taken up the research on educational assessment and then information magazine in the different media and also through the web we provide information regarding education. Next chart shows the R&D map of BERD. The red area shows the target area and blue shows content related to these areas for the child care or for pre scholars and also for their calibers. we have some other organization which is Benesse next generation research institute so child care and parenting and preschool education are covered so preschool education is also given and outside based child care and parenting education and then starting from first grader to the third grader BERD and someone has already mentioned the media enhanced education and for this part ministry of education has already established a new plan. So one PC for one student is a new plan or new goal presented by ministry of education. Looking around the neighbors, South Korea, Singapore and in Thailand doing the same thing raise the efficiency of ICT. These are goals and then we have English education and the assessment and the major theme here in this session is higher education. We have to work in the training and generic skills which is to raise the level of employability. In what way are we able to develop a employability and how to work on the measurement to that so we have to come out with a matrix system of problem solving capabilities or the critical thinking in what way are we able to develop the skills amongst students in higher education setting and also we have to have the continuum between the high school and the university education or collage education one more thing related to what we are covering here about the studying abroad the programmes. We have to say that the Japanese teachers or faculty members in the high schools have difficult providing necessary support for student wish to study abroad so we are providing support in that arena. So that assessment of the skills in that regard for this and also for the entire picture we try to understand that what is taking place in japan and also we would like to understand the global trends in the area of education. This is a purpose to serve the vision. One more thing we see this as a major challenge written on the bottom which is motivation and passion for learning. Japanese student are not too much motivated and they did not have to passion for learning so this is the pain that we continue to have in the person in the future so Benesse is responsible for this. So this mission of the company the name of which is wellbeing and this is a final slide. This is what we do, this is the survey, international survey in 6 cities which was conducted in 2006. Take a look at this and we realize that there are challenges that we have to overcome. amongst these two charts left hand side is this country those who try hard or already boarded there has been some misprint here but with question of Agree or not agree  that there has been very small percentage of the students in Tokyo. The majority was “I agree” with this remark. so all in all of the students are not too much engaged in this society, they are not much enthusiastic to participating in the society so in what way we are able to change and reverse institutions and we are talking about elementary school for children so we are connecting surveys for the high school student and we have to say that the result is about the same so the high school students would become the universal city and college student in several years so we have to raise a level of involvement of the students standing from the early age. Today we are talking about the India japan partnership could be some of the factor of the stimulation so that is something we are pinning hopes on. That is for me. Thank you very much for your attention.

Moderator: Thank you Mr. Arai that was a fantastic presentation and thank you so much for sharing the R & D initiatives that your organization is taking. May I now request Mr. Manoj Pant who is chief executive at JK Center for Technician Training to please share his view on the Japanese corporation for Indian women skill development and student and faculty exchange programme that you were talking about?

Mr. Manoj Pant: Thank you. I am chief executive of company called JK Center for Technician Training which we have recently set up for technician training in short term certification programme for creating employable skills by addressing the needs for poorest section of society. This is been amentily successful programe that we are able in short period of 3 months by using a pedagogy technique of show me, tell me, let me, train people in various skill development programme so that they are able to get the job and become immediately productive. What I am now talking about what I am intent to talk about I want to take this further and there is very large section of society which is a women folk of the country of India who don’t have any other skill development programme or any way of doing something productive specially after marriage. What I propose is, I believe that India and japan could cooperate. Japanese could cooperate by sending the student and exchange programme or the faculty on women orientated courses on hospitality, retail, para nursing, and whatever of these areas and while they are teaching that the Japanese student or faculty could learn English, could learn yoga, could learn, could travel around and do whatever they want to do. What we offer to do is host these people in various locations. JK group more than 8 universities and colleges all over the country at very exotic locations. We will host the students, the faculties and they can train the students and this is a project which is ready to go. I would be encouraging any the universities represented here or the faculties who want to pursue this please contact me and I would be very happy to take this forward. I made a very short presentation just to throw the idea that women skill development is an area where japan could be a national alie. We can create a huge amount of employability amongst very neglected section of society and this is where Japanese have special skills and I will be happy to take this forward from there on. My contact details are here. May be on the next page, I have already covered this, what we lack, India gives an opportunity of very large numbers we have the problem, we have scale of nobody else has. This scale could be replicated through being the educators and trainers to the world japan and India could be national educating destination for the world. We need the Japanese quality and I think this is where I propose starting of a very simple way of sending a student & faculty exchange programmes. On the last page as I have already covered this is the opportunities and travel in India we are hosting this. Next slide, that’s me. So It’s just a three slides so I won’t have any three minute reminder and happy to take forward and I am throwing the idea to all the people and to the audience present here to this forward from here. Thank you very much.
Moderator - Thank you Mr. Pant. May I now request Mr. Tadayasu Nishida to share his experiences because I believe you have already had an experience of working in India and in japan as well? So will you be kind enough to share your experiences to how and what was your learning while you were interacting with India links.

Mr. Tadayasu Nishida: Thank you. I am representative of the Cicom Brains, my name is Nishida. Cicom Brains is a company who is outsources human resource development in an organization. We have headquartered in Hong Kong and also in Singapore and Shanghai we have sites there, especially to materialize Japanese companies. They are overseas global people or expectorates sometime included for them we provide training and development. In Singapore mainly South East Asian area, Shanghai office is for Chinese affiliation. Content of our training, There are three one is middle management skill, leadership enhancement or companies vision and value and mission to be thoroughly communicated to the employees and management development and managers training. Those are type of content that we provide. In India there is moderator Ankur belongs to A2V info solutions, we have collaboration with them, partnership with them and in India human resource development mechanism and both companies are starting gearing up. In India those Japanese companies who are entering in to Indian market they are about 700 of them but still there are some big companies but the characteristics of them is Japanese companies located in india. Japanese expectorates are not so many. There were some companies who went in to Chinese market that’s a big difference with them. In case of china many people from japan are stationed in china and may be a management is opened up by Japanese but in a case of India not so many Japanese expectorates companies in India. They are not so much like Japanese companies may be that is one of their characteristics. Presently Japanese companies who enter in to Indian market regarding training and development companies not so many people, companies are formulating institute for training. Companies require human resource development programme function regardless to the origin of the companies. in compare with japan india tried a higher very qualified people in order to do that in house human resource development is very important and Japanese companies management people I hope they will have such interest. Currently we have a partner A2V infosolution. We are busy that from japan electrical manufacturers as well as there are many manufacturers but recently for middle people emerged and there is a need for the middle people to learn the emerging countries and those people are brought to india for example for the period of 4-5 weeks at Indian company or NPL as an intern they experienced the project or large city like Delhi or rural areas to watch, to experience the retail scenes and that’s type of experience type for the products are being promoted like 3-4 companies are preparing for that. That is what we are conducting in India and from now on this India and japan in order to expand business the way challenges is that are the pool of human resources is limited to support such activities. Earlier in Japanese companies there are not so many people who have stationed in India as I mentioned. But probably that is one of the reasons that limited size of pool of human resource and the country of hard ship, that’s how we regard. so they return after 3 years and also Japanese companies stationed in india, Japanese companies have to reimbursed the expenses of stay of Japanese expectorates in india so it’s rather expensive and right now india about 3300 people are stationed in india from japan and those who are in china 126000, so that’s a big difference. As the business with India grows, we have to do something about that so for Japanese people Japanese who are familiar with India and not so many. And Indian business protocol and the way the organization is and how to handle. Still we do not have many people who are familiar with such procedure. India in terms of GDP 2011 it will exceed that of UK and probably in japan and Germany. So expansion of the Japanese business in India, japan side and India side is very important so the pool of human resources to support that business, how to expand the pool is important and among these of course us and private sector working together. We also received contracts with companies with a request of them so this is limitation how to make size of impact that we create. therefore the government level or economic organizations level how the business human resources put to be expanded that’s where we should focus on and what was happening what was happened in the past and what still being practice. The good idea is that EU and japan relationship. EU especially in japan after the 20th century japan is regarded the important business partner in terms of human resource development. European business, ETP business training programme in 1979, the European commission together with the Keidanren in japan, they started that project and as a trainees European business man as a trainee to japan with the pooling of 1000, They after receiving training at various locations in Europe, after that 9 months in japan. Waseda University is an organization to receive them during their 9 months stay in japan. They study to some extend of level of Japanese as whereas business protocol and the society as well as the management very broad field as well as internship at companies in japan. So that’s a total one year programme. EU has been conducting such a programme for Japan. Since it is a business partner, training partner then the mechanism to nurture such talent who are familiar with such aspects is what we need to do. So from India to japan and japan to India that kind of mechanism is needed I believe. We also try to promote this idea. Thank you very much.

Moderator: Thank you Mr. Nishida. That was indeed very interesting information about how you plan to work ahead in different geographies. May I now request Mr. Yutaka Tsujinaka who is Vice President of Tsukuba University international affairs and I want to request him to share his experience in promoting international exchange and education research and what does he thinks is the key to bring educational partnership between india and japan.

Mr. Yutaka Tsujinaka: Thank you very much for your introduction. My name Tsujinaka from Tsukuba University. Prof. Tokunaga talked about the present status of japan, china exchange proegramme and as one of the case studies I would like to give explanation of the status of the University of Tsukuba. This is the emblem of the University of Tsukuba which was established in 1872 with long history. This was a normal school, first normal school in Japan. Tsukuba Science city was established in 1963 and construction started 1963 and in the 1973 we moved to the site of Tsukuba science city. We were actually specialized in Pedagogy and training teachers. But we started as a broad range the discipline school. 250 hector of campus over 600 acres. I think this is largest campus in japan as one campus not the distributors. In 1973 this university was established and the model of the university is open to the world. This is what we have aimed at. In particular, in the center years in the past 10 and several years we have focus on credos of civilization and studying those. The reason is because of course India has wonderful civilization but those countries which have great civilization are now becoming hot spots of global issues. In other words they seems to be some sort of relationship between the early civilization and global issues that they are facing right now that is why university Tsukuba opened Tunisia for the first time. This was a cross of civilization. That’s the 2nd office we opened at Ho Chi Minh City in Vietnam. We opened the 3rd office in Beijing and recently we had European office in bon. There is something lacking, we need an office in India but another university is in charge of opening that office not Tsukuba. University is open to the world and this is related to what Tokunaga said. Last year international student learning there is to 2340 and for the 10% out of 17000 students overall. So among Japanese universities this ratio is quiet high and out of this only 16 from India and out of 16, 3 are studying under my guidance also very few from Delhi University and exchange agreement we signed with 60 countries 204 agreements. Many I would say but agreement with India. This is not right. I think we would like to increase the number of exchange agreements with india but this is the present status and reality in japan why I would like to get some clues about solve this problem there are some answers to this problem. Tsukuba science city a beautiful city, I hope you will visit the city. There are 3429 foreign researchers in the science city. And out of that 229 foreign researchers are from India. This is not about the numbers. China is 1719, 600 from Korea, 229 from India the third in rank. I hope there will be many more researchers but compare to the Tsukuba University the number of researcher in the city is high. I hope they will be 200 students from India in our university. And the reason why there so few students this is one of the lead material science. This national institute from material science is quiet a famous and 128 people are there and advanced industrial science and technology or advanced science and telecommunications and there is 35 this is industrial science and technology. So there are 400 research institutes in Tsukuba Science City and with this city and our self service. There is cooperation agreement with the graduate school of Tsukuba University. Out of 400 with most excellence research institute we have alliance and signed cooperation agreement. I will not give detailed explanation but the most famous one is Nano Tsukuba innovation arena. This is nano science research institute and this attract the highest attention inside japan because many researchers from India are working there doing research. About the result of their research activities the science measures I will not give explanation but they are highly appreciated. So they are new fields of cooperation between two countries. I talked about hot spots of the global issues and the countries civilization flourished at early time by resources of technopak management, public policies and also for society governance and those of my specialty environment diplomacy, public health, water, agriculture. I think there are many room for corporation and in order to do so we have to have good programmes for international students. We have 23 but next year we will have to 28 programmes which will be conducted in English, we are developing them.  This is part of global 30 programme 28 sounds many especially in life science, social science and medical science. There are 28 English programmes. So just 16 students from India are too small, we are ready to accept 200. Thank you. We are ready to welcome you.

Moderator: Thank you so much for the global view that you shared and I am sure that some students out here in the panel who would have taken some notes. With that we would like to go to Dr. Dinesh singh who is Vice Chancellor of Delhi University, one of the foremost universities in India and we would love to have his views on the evolving education scenario in India and the role he sees for future academic collaborations between India & Japan.

Dr. Dinesh Singh: Thank you Mr. Chairman. It’s a delight to be present here today. I do not know how the cots in japan has benches for Judgment but in india we generally tend to have for  important cases a multi judge bench and there the junior most judge bench has a very easy job when all the senior judges have pronounced judgment and he has to say I agree and the matter ends. And I believe I feel like a junior judge here. all I have to say all my illustrious have said the right things and I agree so I really won’t be able to add much but whatever little that I think may make sense let me try and put that forward to you. You know Japan and India as many speakers yesterday and even today have said we had fairly close link for centuries. All of us know that while the Budh may have been largely ignored or forgotten in the land of his birth and land of his teaching and wisdom occupy prominence and create living space in japan the land of the rising sun. There are other connections too, their great freedom fighter and hero Subash Chandra Bose in his search for a place from where he could launch militantly India’s freedom struggle found solid and sucker in japan, it was japan that came forward. And there is much that resonates in the heart of Indians. It is just about politics. It is in just about philosophy in the world of films which Indian will not have seen seven Qurosawa great movies, Roshomon, Seven Samurai all of them. And they have left indelible impact on the minds of Indians. Satyajit Rai the great Indian film maker was profoundly impact and impressed by Qurosawa. So there is so much that happens. And I tell you an anecdote when I was boarding my Japan Airline flight yesterday at New Delhi airport, I met two friends and old colleagues, Prof at the Jawaharlal Nehru university, a Prof. of linguist, a lady, and a Prof. of mathematics from the Indian statistical institute, they were with me on the flight and I asked them where they were headed, one of them to Nagoya and other one to Tokyo, for collaborative research. That has been happening for a long time. My own mathematics was deeply influenced by two outstanding mathematicians from japan, Masami Titan Ki Sachi and Kosaku Yosida. Their work just didn’t influenced me, a whole generation of mathematician starting from my father time who was a mathematician were influenced by the words of these two great mathematicians and that story goes on. My university collaborates in many ways with Japanese institutions and there are many agreements that have happened but it does not reach a critical level. Some things seem to be hampering that and I have no insides. I do not have that kind of wisdom. so please do not expect solutions from me but I could give pointers towards things that might help and I believe one of India’s handicapped has been this heavy influenced that western societies had on india. Somewhere Japanese culture, Japanese advances in science and technologies remain hidden from the larger numbers of people in India, in the higher terns of education for language reasons. I would urge those in japan to think carefully about this. I know that South Korea has understood this very well and South Korea and Taiwan are making great inroads with India in partnership because they have some house promounted the language barrier. We in India are willing to partner with Japanese institutions to see how the language barrier somehow gets diminished but to my mind it is a significant barrier. but leave that aside for a moment, I would like to put forward before this august audience a proposal and that proposal as I said is not really from me but its tends from the thoughts and action of the father of the nation in india, Mahatma Gandhi, who understood education very well and he practice what he preached. Mahatma Gandhi consistently said to make education worthwhile, to make it achieve its true meaning, it is important to make educational practices and institutions, dealt in the land where you work with your hands. It is important to make it practical thing and what you do with your hands and will enter in your heart. And I believe this will apply even for Indo Japanese collaboration, for a win win situation on both sides. How do we put this in to practice? Here is simple proposal, it is subject to all kinds of modifications but let me put that forward for discussion in your own minds and I hope something comes from it. You know anyone who has dealt with education, will understand with that too much for formal stuff never really leads to too much. I am reminding what mark twain, the great American Human thinkers has said that he did not allow his schooling to interfere with this education. So let us put the formal situation in its right place not too much but not too little and what is that mean there are enough corporate links happening and will happen in the future, Industrial links, technological links between the two countries. Two countries meet each other all kind of reasons. Japanese economy needs to be jump started once again. India needs technological, financial inputs but had human resources and one can match the two provided the industrial connections in needs, the technological connection in needs are somehow brought on to a platform where education can play a role. So challenge is emanating from situation must be brought in to educational processes and institutions. So you put forward problems, you put forward practical situations, where project etc. begin to flow in to educational institution and Indian institution geared for this at the moment, not much. But already there is a movement in India. In my own university two days ago we have created a whole new paradigm shift for platform for education that will flow from the real world in to our institutions and back in to the real world. It’s a two way process both sides learn, both sides gain. What is it built on? It is built on simple practices and assumption. Everybody needs good communication skills, everybody needs to be a little acquainted, some sort of ICT and then a certain amount of quantitative skills and mathematical insights and then you built on this by working with situations that emanate from the real world, that connect with the real world and then you move towards the solutions. Many things happen, what we are doing is nothing new as I told you so many great ones has said it before but many things will begin to happen. When we talk of this great industrial corridor between Delhi & Mumbai, 100 things will emerge. Japan will give us much that is insight full but to adopt it to the Indian situation. We need some Indian human resource and there will be things that japan will learn because there is already innovation happening in India. Let it be to some extend driven by the corporate and industrial world. Let some of the insight full resources flow in to new sorts of innovative educational processes. That’s what we did at the University of Delhi, created a center for innovation which allows amongst other things. A study programme which is large extend projects based but heavily in to ICT and some sort of mathematics and languages skills. And industry is begun to connect with us and I would invite other institutions in japan and India. Think of this model, this cannot be the last word, nothing can be the last word in education. But this can help to move forward and you know this is the only place where India and japan together could use this learning and I see this already in my university I keep getting visits from head of states of African nations, South American nations who are urging us to come and do something in education for them. the markets are ready there and I don’t want talk of education is a market but I know that the corporate institutions will think of that and we could take this leaning forward to some of these other and I believe much can flow from there. So I would urge everyone present here to think about these problems along these lines and we can do that I think much will begin to happen. May be a platform should be created with the chamber of commerce of both side. Governmental institutions and few of these innovative thinking places get together and chart a practical course of action, keeping society needs and actions in mind. I do not have much more to add. Thank you very much.

Moderator: Thank you Dr. Singh. It is always pleasure listening to you. Now I will go to Kiyoshi Yamada who is the vice chancellor of Tokai University in Japan to discuss his experience of teaching engineering to young people in Thailand and how does he think that it can be reciprocated in the Indian scenario.

Mr. Kiyoshi Yamada: I am Yamada. Thank you for the introduction. In japan we forced with, we start by apology and I would like to follow that example. Exchange with India we were not active with exchange with India. I would like to make an apology for that. First of all I would like to briefly introduce our University. We are private university covering sites throughout japan. This person founded our university, Dr. Shigeyoshi Matsumae and long distance cable, telecommunication cable was invented by him when he was working for the ministry. The prize money for that invention created our university. Therefore we have a long history of focusing on such aspects. Collaboration amongst, government, private industry and academia, we have 80 sites internationally. This is partner school in India and there are two sites in Europe and we also have one Honolulu. Rather out dated ratings but QS ranking about 5-6 years ago. In overall Japanese universities and our rank to lower than this in Asian ranking 86 last year and this year as well. International education as moderator mentioned as a matter of fact in India king monk institute of higher technology. This is exchange with lots of institute which started in end of 1960’s and beginning of 1970’s, the bottom red and blue or the exchange of faculty members. So we been conducting faculty exchanges and since 1997 we started exchanging students and international affairs of the teacher also thinking about this with Asian countries the same level of students is very difficult to achieve for exchange but with this university slightly we received more than we sent but also from japan we are sending student to this university. The reason is that because we have been continuing the exchange of faculty members and unless the faculties believe each other, they will not send their students to the other parties even with the air force by the chancellor or vice chancellor. With this university because of the long lasting relationship with the exchange of faculty members that is why we are conducting student exchange we are able to conduct the student exchanges with in Thailand. This university is taking a major role and this is in overseas Japanese students studying or gaining experience. this is what we started for that first purpose. 2009 Australia event Solar Car competition, we won the first prize. 2010 and 2011 events, South African solar car competition also we won the first prize, first place and this December again in Australia solar car challenge, we will be participating as a solar car competition, the fastest in world, car 140 Kms per hour speed. And when we go overseas and participate in these types of races and for the student in engineering, faculty. This is very effective education for the students in the studying in engineering. This year the foreign students will be participating to take place in Australian car race for this. And this one is rather hot talk about this in japan, we were the first to create the faculty for nuclear engineering and for the nurturing the nuclear talents from Asia. It’s been 5 years. First group of student went to Toshiba and Hitachi, found jobs there. This one is together in American university, aviation pilot training programme. This type of innovation to the educational programmes we are also involving ourselves in international research activities specially in Jaksa in japan and Nasa of US together with them space monitoring satellite image analysis and what we gain out of them is something like this, metrological images in japan. We are selling copy rights with our credit. The space technology like that and our medical technology the remote medicine ambulance can be advanced. While having this ambulance diagnosis can be done via satellite. In side of the vehicle there are such requirements by utilizing similar pieces of requirement in patients in Nepal this disease was very hard to cure and they transported them, the patient to India and saved this person life. We received an award from ITU for this activity. As I mentioned earlier, Industry university collaboration will be discussed next. First FM radio station in Japan was Tokia University at the time japan do not have FM receiver therefore Tokai University who made radio for sale. This is not advanced cunning edge technology but our university is focusing on manufacturing. This is an intellectual property graph, something that I was intending to show. Regarding intellectual property Tokai University has many intellectual properties in japan as university. This year defense IP’s is category that we received award this year and this is the Thailand graph. I introduced you to our university and also in today’s seminar from now on as a university, Indian counterpart we would like to learn how to celebrate. This concludes my presentation. Thank you very much.

Moderator: Thank you so much Yamada San. May I now request Mr. Katsuichi Uchida who is Vice President of Waseda University to give a presentation on his impression on the tertiary education system in Japan? What needs to be improved and what he thinks can be done to enhance partnership with India.

Mr. Katsuichi Uchida: I am Uchida from Waseda University. I am permanent director and vice president. Most imminent that is challenge for japan is to nurture global human resources. In other words human resources which can work high in a global arena. I think there are two points on this, first is the relationship with the industry or companies. Japanese companies are globalised and because of this for example actually out of the companies listed in the first section of TSC the overseas sales are on the average 18% but top 20 like Honda, Nintendo actually 83% of sales are from overseas. Canon 81%, Misa 78%, Toyota 72%, Sony 70%, Takeda 49%, Panasonic 48%, Hitachi 43% are overseas sales. So for those top companies they require human resources which can be helpful in working outside of japan even for SME’s they have to make profit, selling, manufacturing and selling overseas and that profit should be repatriated in to japan and to develop the leading edge products or investors use the money for the source of investment overseas. The sort of pattern has to be created.  So either way for SME’s or large corporations, Japanese corporation people I think or in order to contribute to the prosperity of the other countries. Universities have to nurture human resources of which can be quiet useful globally and in order to actually solve problem like a global warming and development of alternative energy, sustainable development, fear of appended diseases, public hygiene, health care system and the defense prevention and more like  terrorism security and creation of democratic system. I think our Japanese advanced science and technology can contribute to overcome this global problems and especially after the major restriction and after defeat in the war in japan actually university of education contributed to the democratization and modernization of the country. So not only science related disciplines but humanities also contributed to the societies in general and we have to make global contribution and this is the challenge that the Japanese universities are facing to nurture the global human resources. What are the qualifications for those peoples who can be useful globally and how can we nurture them in order to achieve this goal and what sort of reform we have to go through. So those are the issues we are facing. So recognizing these problems in Japanese universities in particular Waseda University what sort of relationship we have with India. What sort of problems we are facing, I would like to discuss this. This is the simple explanation of Waseda university, Mr. Noda who became prime minister is graduated from Waseda University as you can see from here. Those are the number of the students from overseas studying in japan, in the left overall number of japan. On right this is the number of international students at Waseda University that is in right. In case of Waseda University there are many students from Europe and USA. These are the Japanese students who were studying overseas based on the exchange agreements. The left side is entire japan and right side is Waseda and the number of exchange students is 922 last year who studied more than one year overseas. You can see the name of the countries the destination of Japanese students. For the overall japan or for actually Waseda University there is no column for India. This is a problem between japan and india, exchange of students is 546 students are coming to japan from india and the based on exchange agreement in 2010 only 62 Japanese students went to india and those who stayed over one more than one year is zero and more than 37% or 37 students stay only two weeks to one month in india. So the flow of international student between the two countries is very small compare to the students from other countries. Actually the students who are going from japan to India are 110. This is the number of exchange agreements between Waseda and India. There are 12 students in Waseda University and no Waseda students are studying in India from last 5 years based on exchange agreements. So this is the present status. Classification of students of studying at Waseda university graduate, under graduate, post graduate and private funding and government funding, Waseda doing together with other universities who are providing corporation to establish a new IIT at Hyderabad. You can see at the bottom actually Egypt japan university of science and technology project. This is also cooperation between Japanese universities and the government of Egypt to create the engineering university in Egypt it seems to be quiet successful. But IIT is having some problem, it is not going smoothly. One is aligns the relationship amongst universities is not sufficiently high. And also a fiscal or financial support from the recipient country, there is big difference in India and Egypt. And why India student not come to japan or to Waseda. Reason is why the problems here, Out of 14174 only 546 are from India, why is this? First the government approach, there are two points, in case of india I think has strong relationship with former Columbian power like UK and USA and there are many students go to those two countries. Of course this is independent nation state and for the national and educational independent I think education has to be given in that countries language, so too much dependence on former sizzling countries, might not be that desirable. from the Japanese government point of view, there is some is excellent point in higher education of japan but Japanese government is not beyond much, look at the British council activities and the Japanese government activities there is major gap between the two and as for graduate student there is very few so fine students because in japan they have to show the high tuition fee and living cost. In case of government finance student they don’t have to worry about those but they have to speak Japanese to a certain degree to live in japan and that might be obstacle. so compare to the high level of science and technology in japan there is few number of student from india because of the problem are just mentioned and as for under graduate students are concerned, high living cost and high tuition fees if they have to finance themselves and in case of government scholarship they are just a sending students to national universities not the private universities and so far they have to learn Japanese before they come to japan to learn that was a high trouble. So another is why few students from japan will visit or study in india because there are few exchanges agreements and even those agreements exist and they are dysfunction, they are not functioning and the Japanese students have some anxiety about living in india and sufficient measures to remove that anxiety are not taken and they miss the students who go to india or interested in philosophy and religion. The nation support, it is not sufficient, so in order to changed that may be Japanese government should create the institute of Indian research or may be Indian expectorates who are working in enterprises in japan can provide a scholarship for Japanese students who study in india that might be one other way. So how can we increase and attract more number of student from India and incase of private final student may be scholarship for vision is good way and if it is government final students, in case of Waseda most of the students come to study humanities. But in japan the financed the overseas students have focus on sciences and engineering or there is reason for that but I hope that we have to increase the support to students who study humanities. The last point is that Japanese government foreign student policy has to be necessary for government finance student there is an issue of this but of tuition fees and mix task to change that they send those foreign student only to national universities because in case of national universities tuition fee does not exist where as in private the universities they are this burden of tuition fees and in case under graduate students we do not sign them to national private university which has to changed I think. Furthermore the private financed student, when we look at the entire student who come to japan, I would say 10% actually government financed students and 90% or so financed student and we have to provide support to the 90%. So the policy of the Japanese government regarding foreign student studying in japan has to be changed in order to increase the exchange between the two countries.  Thank you.

Moderator: Thank you Uchida San. May I now request Mr. Yoichiro Matsumoto who is Executive Vice President, University of Tokyo to share his experience in bringing together the select group of universities that share similar values, a global vision and commitment to educating world leader? The emphasis could be more on academic diversity and international collaboration. This is I think the final presentation for the first session.

Mr. Yoichiro Matsumoto: Thank you very much for the introduction. Japanese people tend to speak in Japanese so allow me to speak in Japanese as well. I have not prepared any power point presentation but as has been we do understand and we share the problem associated with the ones proposed by Tokai university and the Waseda University and Japanese students have not studied much abroad specially in india we have to say that university of Tokyo student have not gone to india to study. So as was mentioned by the Indian universities professors the people in the literature are went to India in the order to study philosophy and religion. Then what about the students in engineering that quiet in India. They do not go to India to study science and technology. Then what about Indian student coming to japan, how we successful receiving and accepting Indian student. Looking back to the history we have to say that number of student studying in Tokyo University have not been very large so this is a major challenge we are facing with which is to increase the number of Indian students studying at our university. So I would like to share that what we are trying to do and what we are committed to do. In order to raise the number of students studying at the Tokyo university in the field of engineering looking around there are last number of Indian researchers, I have many Indian friends who are researchers, most of them are active in USA or UK. Then Indian people are able to speak good English in spite this is not their mother tongue but one of the mother language is English. So for them to go to USA or UK is easier as compare to japan. If these people come to japan it is alright for them to receive education starting from graduation in English. So we have to say that this is not compatible but still we are in process of establishing all English processes for the foreign students so we like to invite them to the University of Tokyo. About the collaboration between japan and India especially in the recent history in 2007 we had the conference of presidents of the university from japan and the India and Delhi and we confirm that the japan Indian relationship is one of the most important bilateral relations in the Asia. So inter university collaborations and exchanges are a pillar for center of the good relationship between the two countries. So we are inviting many students from china and South Korea but we have to say number of student from India is very much limited in university of Tokyo so we have to try to reverse the situation, we have a new president Dr. Hamada. So Dr. Hamada has come up with up a vision for the action programme. So we use the term action scenario. so the first item is to service a global campus specially important is to focus more on the education or the human resources and the development so we have to have closer ties in order to attract more student from india and also more from the Japanese national government and the national government is committed to the internationalization of Japanese universities cyber homes, and the university of Tokyo was chosen as a one part of that initiative luckily. We try to focus on India.   This is considering being the most important country from which we invite more students who wish to study at Tokyo University. This is from the undergraduate school. This has been already started. So in 2009 and 2010 other universities, one of them is Waseda as it is mentioned and we are inviting the Indian students. So we are holding the orientation for the potential student and then one more thing that is important is the establishment of the office which it can be shared by multiple numbers of universities in Bangalore. In India we are in a process of establishing the foreign office by the end of this year, we would have the office in Bangalore. So also we make sure that we send more than 10 people stationed there, who have the experience of living in India. So we make sure that very enthusiastic group of people would be stationed in India for the new established office in Bangalore. So we try to Japanese universities and the information related to life in japan would be communicated to the people. So one time service is going to be providing by them, for example the candidate go to that site or office so that they are able to receive information regarding the process of education in japan and also they are able to utilize the video enhanced examination system so that they don’t have to come all the way to japan to take the test for the entrance. So we have group of 13 universities, 13 universities were chosen so that they are able to share utilization of the office so we would like have the industry academia collaboration with the Japanese affiliated companies. So that office is the site in which this connection can be made so there are 13 universities as I said and one of the 13 universities has the office in Delhi. So we are planning to have the collaborative effort with the Rijeka University and association by the representative by Waseda University. We have IITH, Indian institute of technology, Hyderabad, so we collaborate with this institution to do several things. Ministry of foreign affairs is providing support consortium for IITH is the target for the support. So IITH is rather new university and also we are very much committed to the support to that university as the University of Tokyo. So this project is a momentum. There was implication from Waseda University so to the fact that it is not working well but we do believe that this working very well.  We are working on the establishment of the campus and we are setting best of in that regard. So there are 5 major areas for IITH. For these 5 areas we are providing support from the University of Tokyo. Tokyo University is involved in Nano technology and Nano science in which we are able to do joint research and we are receiving the students from that university. One more thing that is quiet important, I just want to communicate to you that we are just not focusing on IIT but rather we tried to focus more on other student as well. Tokyo University is receiving donation from MORI Saki Corporation. so we have established scholarship programme so if we have, we would like to choose the students who have high capability then we are ready to give scholarship for the student and also in order to deepen and widen our relationship between india and japan it is important to invite students when they are younger so we are thinking of having the internship of the students who are sitting at the under graduate school so we have been thinking about this in many ways but we have not seen the successful cases so this is something we have to do in future. So they come to japan and before two or three months they are able to learn at the Japanese companies so this is the internship programe and if they get interested they can come to japan to study in the master class. One more thing there is need for the Internationalization of University of Tokyo, internationalization is easier. Now we have to first and foremost learn that how to internationalize ourselves. That is a reason why we started presidential counsel.  From the global perspective we try to have higher knowledge. So we try to invite people who have higher expertise in the global arena so they are become the member of advisory board for the internationalization of the university. Twice every year they have meeting for the advisory board and then we invite two people from the India Mr. Modi from Infosys and Mr. Munjal from Hindu corporate initiative. So these two individual are the members of these panels so we are receiving the inputs from these people. So as we have mentioned we try to do many things so that we are able to have higher activities in this regard. This way we will be become international university and we try to work together with Indian university so that all for me. Thank you very much for your attention.

Moderator: Thank you very much. Going up further, we now have special discussion on creating Nalanda as a model of academic excellence which I request Mr. Kan Suzuki to take forward and this will be a break out session in between and there after we will be resuming on the main session again and when we will go on the discussion model with the esteemed panelist over here. In between we are diverting our track focus on the Nalanda University on the academic excellence.

Mr. Kan Suzuki: Now the session is on the Nalanda University. Currently India japan collaboration project is going on. I request Mr. N.K. Singh to please start the session.
 

Mr. N.K. Singh: Good afternoon. It is again a great pleasure. I am N.K. Singh, Member of Parliament in the upper house in India and member of the mentor group and now the first board of governors of the Nalanda University. So I am very pleased to be here to make this presentation today. The presentation gives the history of the Nalanda. Where we are, where we expect to go and the expectations we have from the Japanese people and the Japanese research organizations, and the Japanese universities and the Japanese government for the furtherance on what it will be historic effort to rebuild this university as a center of education excellence as part of the entire Asian renaissance  process since it was a pond of a knowledge university in Asia from the third century till 1147 and with the shift of economic power to Asia the effort for rebuilding this university symbolizes in more ways than a one the rise of Asian renaissance. So it is from that point of view we are making short presentation. I am going to request Gopa Sabharwal who is the first vice chancellor of Nalanda University to make a short presentation and after that we would happy to answer any question from any of you and from the panelist.

Dr. Gopa Sabharwal: Good evening. I will just run you through brief history of the project so that everybody here can get an idea of the historical legacy and its importance and what great responsibility actually been given to the whole mentor group or to the whole team that is part of restructuring Nalanda in modern times. May we have the first slide please? So the picture that you can see is actually part of ruience of the original Nalanda University. Nalanda the new university is going to be ten kilometers away in the town of Rajghir in the northern india state of Bihar and as we have been saying the very name Nalanda for all Asians does symbolize anatomy of knowledge and not just the creation of knowledge but the dissemination of knowledge because what was the central creed of Nalanda was that scholars would go out and spread Nalanda knowledge. Record left by scwenzwen the former Chinese scholar who came and spent 14 years in his journey to Nalanda and back and that one of our main source of information of Nalanda and one or those statistics that we do have is that there were 2000 teachers and 10000 students at the old Nalanda and it was a flourishing center of knowledge so it was supported by the 100 villages that surrounded it. Each of it supplied Nalanda students with various needs whether its cream, butter, oil or whatever so that scholar at Nalanda were free to devote themselves completely to scholarship and intellectual pursue. Nalanda was not just an ocean of knowledge, there were few other centers in india, Odantapri and Vikram Shilla to name few, to which Nalanda scholars were often sent out, very often to resolve philosophical debate and as you can see from the map Nalanda influence and Nalanda had students from china, Korea, japan, Tibet, Mongolia, turkey, Srilanka, south east Asia, there is record that the Japanese scholar who was known as Barj Smadhi at Nalanda in the 9th century and that has been written about some scholars so these scholar who came to Nalanda and went back it is their records these are now main source of information about Nalanda because Nalanda was destroy by Muslim invaders. The date of destruction is between 1147 to 1197. There is some dispute on that but those basically the library and all the record said on files. There is a myth said that Nalanda library reburnt for 6 months because there was so much, so many scriptures there. As you see, what was great about Nalanda and significance about Nalanda, it was that the 800 years Nalanda was there for, it was pretty much un parallel center of learning in the world because as you can see from these figures Al Azhar Cairo came up when Nalanda was 547 years old and Bologna which is the first university in the western world came up when Nalanda was 700 years old. If we go by the earlier thing, Oxford was in coming to being just at the time Nalanda was being destroyed. Cambridge has not yet been founded. So clearly the decline of Nalanda in many ways is symptomatic. what was happening in world at large there was also a shift of the knowledge and power to the west and there was declined in the knowledge model of the east because once Nalanda was destroyed India only got the formal modern university in 1857 post coliseum amongst the three presidency universities were set up. So there was Nalanda from being the appetomy from the center of knowledge origin and dissemination or went in to decline as did a large part of that knowledge and the world shifted to different model of university and knowledge that seen and structure in those ways. 800 years later the picture is of our former president Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam who was speaking in Bihar legislative assembly, I think it was the 100th anniversary of the assembly and he was addressing the assembly and I think the idea was already there with the Bihar government but he gave its one final impatience that he said it would be wonderful the Bihar government could now consider reviving the glory of this center and Nalanda could come in to being once again. the action and shifts to the state of Bihar and a very dynamic chief minister Mr. Nitish Kumar who is just come back for second term after dynamic victory because of the kind of leadership he is been giving. It is the state of Bihar then that moved ahead and found and located this new university could be located. It is in the town of Rajghir where for those who know little bit about Buddhist history where eagle pick or culture pick is located where Buddha Priest one the most important. 450 acres of the land has been given to the university. The chief minister is also in consultation of the government where ministry of external affairs got involved because the vision that engraves was Nalanda had to be India’s first truly international university by charter. So government of india set up these two things one they set up Nalanda mentor group in which Mr. N.K. singh is a member and from 2007 – 2010 Nalanda mentor group through various meetings put for the vision of the university on how it should be structured and they were to decide the exactly what kind of international partnerships we were going to have. This all our members of the mentor group which is now currently governing board. Chair person is Prof. Amartya Sen who needs no introduction. Our Japanese members Prof. Susumu Nakanishi who is from Kyoto and Mr. George Yeo who was here this morning from Singapore there is one very distinguished academician, former chancellor of Hong Kong University Prof. Wang Gungwu, from china there Prof.  Wang Bangwei, there is Prof. Tansen Sen from New York, there is Prof. Sugata Bose from Harvard University and then of course secretary from the ministry of the external affairs, Mr. Sanjay Singh who is on board. so it is very distinguished board, it is an international board and the fact this is the first governing board symmetric of the fact that government of india has handed over the ideation the structuration of this whole process to these mentors and has allow them to continue for the first year to shape up the university and to give it some shape. Now government of India also to internationalize the project and to involve all of East Asia then share the project with the East Asia summit countries. Initially in the 2007 summit at the same time mentor group had come in to being and at the summit in 2009 that are in Thailand all the members of EAS countries supported the setting up of Nalanda. So there is commitment that Nalanda would become an icon of Asian renaissance that will once again become the center that it was in the past which will recognize what is clearly a fact in the world today that Asians are increasingly interconnecting with each other. So the east Asia involvement is as we say here they are our partners all east Asian countries and I say on that slide that there is nation of Asia rediscovering itself that distance between india and china is only 5 hours but I think distance in the mind much greater than many centuries even though earlier 13 and 14 century and earlier it was never considered the resistance. Now there is so much more inter Asian linkage happening. Nalanda has clearly made that corner stone of everything that we are going to structure. it is going to be in built in to the way we structure our schools, our systems that inter Asian linkages are the core because as George Yeo said actually in an article very recently that not only Asia is talking to each other they are drawing inspiration from each other so it’s not just an interaction it’s an inspirational interaction and we would want to completely be in the middle of the world and world should once again come back to Nalanda to solve their problems to create new ideas and we are looking to all east Asian countries to reach out and partner with us in that process. The university came in to being formally last year when the Indian parliament passed a special act to create Nalanda University. We are not part of any earlier template. It is stand alone university brought in to being by a special act of parliament which later receive presidential asset.  Formally the act was notified on 25 November 2010. So in that sense formally the university is still in its first year. This is our foundational year, we are still doing a lot of foundational work. The picture there is all our mentors at our sites actually on a site visit earlier in Bihar. Our board meeting even in July last month the whole board came to Bihar, travels to Rajghir to the site which shows us their commitment even if they come in for one day. Everybody wanted a meeting to be in Patna and then go on to Rajghir. This is our structure, we will be international, there will be five seats on the boards for the five member countries of the EAS that donate the highest money to Nalanda donors states for the purposes of getting involving donor states even if it is a private donation from our country it qualifies as the donation from that country so it allows and this is unprecedented in Indian academia that 5 seats on the board are being given of to 5 partners and this is because we recognize that importance. In the addition we have said that we have two other bodies one of which the international advisory panel headed by H.E. George Yeo which is going to continue as an international advisor out reach for us to think of other ways of fund raising or brining the best practices in the world in various ways through the university. These are our 7 schools that the university is going to have. It is going to be post graduate university with post graduate degrees and PHD’s. The first two schools that we will start in phase one. The other schools of historical studies and school of environment and ecology. And it is timely that we thought of the school of ecology and environment because we want that not just to be a school. I think we will be one of the few campuses in the world and that is one advantage to being starters and that could build the sustainability in ecology in to our campus as we build it. So even now in we are doing the DPR it is the highest norms of the leads platinum standards and there are Indian counterparts. We are trying to achieve for our base the higher norms so that we could have sustainable campus. It’s not retrofitted to sustainability like a lot of other campuses around the world. We would love to people to partner with us in that process. This is our site. It is very pictorials. I think Dr. Cassim said inspirational settings leads to great things happening. it is clearly the most peaceful site you can find with the Rajghir hills at the back and then the railway track and all the way up to the state highway. 458 acres of very large green area, part of which we will keep as agricultural land as part of our sustainability to try and grow our own food and also to outreach all other neighboring hinterland will be able to help school environment to outreach and work with everybody in the community around us. So this is basically, in short, I think I have taken you through the whole things. Thank you.

Mr. Kan Suzuki: Thank you very much. I would like to start discussion amongst ourselves and with you. In this morning session Mr. Singh gave clear cut road map and we should do in cooperating between the two countries. You have to increase the involvement rate of highest score from present to 25% and we have to create 2000 universities or collages. In other words supply side has to make efforts in India and japan there is an excess of supply of education or higher education so in that sense I think there is big potential for collaboration between the two countries. And there is shortage of faculty in IIT even in IIM, there is shortage of faculty that’s what we heard. In japan we have PHD who has clear the most astringent qualification test of PHD and they do not have any jobs so we can dispatch those PHD acquire jobs in India. That is what we said this morning and this afternoon, use of IT was discussed to explore new possibilities of education and in the previous session there are many potential for win win collaboration between the two countries but the present situation if we look at the number of student exchange and exchange of faculty, unfortunately the level and the number are low. Of course we cannot compare the relationship between japan and china because china is close distance wise and there is a magnitude of all the differences between the number of student from china and from India so how to overcome from this bottle neck and to strengthen and proceed with academic collaboration between the two countries. And we now heard about the Nalanda University. Very excellent presentation from the people engaged in Nalanda. He start of the university history, started at Bologonia that’s what we said and we thought. But in reality, in world history Nalanda is the first university in the world. We have to once again recognize this and to rise over bottle neck and to create new collaboration between the two countries, in doing so I think we have to place emphasis on the paradigm shift so collaboration or interaction with inspirations that is very important and Nalanda projects words trigger lessons in Asia which shows is very noble and wonderful vision and the worlds feel really exciting in the world history. because in japan in march 11 there was the earthquake and tsunami and because of this disaster we face the new challenges and post tsunami and earthquake situation we are in now I think we have learned a lot from what we have discussed  in the past that we place the emphasis on growth and material growth or growth in material civilization that was the national policy of japan and Japanese universities are ever seen era more than a year ago there was modern universities  established in japan now knowledge created there and introduced from the west and human resources who learned from those. actually because of their efforts japan was successful and in 1980 as a manufacturing country japan has the highest level human resources which contributed to the success of manufacturing total quality assurance and manufacturing civilianization or culture was created. But what we have learned in the March 11 disaster and subsequent Nuclear power station accidents has taught us the limitations of science and technology. It’s really reflected on us. A Japanese government issued a white paper on science in the past and in this white paper we discussed how we should treat and look at the science. We cannot just appraise science 100% but we cannot of course deny science 100% either. We have to recognize the importance of science from the overall mental level to really understand the gist and the nature of science and the material prosperity, material richness we have to get out of this way of thinking and the Nalanda University the place the emphasis on sustainability. This is a new civilization but you learn from the past because it stated in 427 CE and for the actually universal truth of humanity and what is new for humanity from scratch. Actually both India and japan with long history will think about the all these important issues and involving other Asian countries so I think this Nalanda university project is very symbolic of course we have to make this project successful but at the same time this project success are long not be sufficient. india and japan can jointly create new history of civilization in that context Japanese academia and Indian academia in deep level will be linked with a mutual trust and which resolves in collaboration and that is has to be there for the success of Nalanda university projects. So from these two prospective we should have in mind in advancing various projects. There are English barrier or science and technology issues. There are very secretiveness in both countries we could not match those two and we could not attract many younger excellent students from India and the other way round from japan. So I think anybody in the panel please make comments on those points. Thank you.

Mr. Tomastsu Tokunaga: About the Nalanda university presentation I was very much impressed with this presentation and also Mr. Suzuki the former vice minister of education talked about this with the great level of education and I was very much impressed with this. We have to release it what we had in the past. As was mentioned by Mr. Suzuki we have to focus too much on the material industry or material culture and civilization and rules of the university has recent round material richness. We have been having the social science and also the literature but however the humanity but still we have been focusing too much on the science and technology so we have to release where we have to look at the academia however having said that we are not able to discard all the material richness. so we have to take a good balance between material and spirituality so on top of science and technology we have to have humanities especially history and also philosophy these are the certain areas we have to focus more. We have to re visit and review the way education and high education facilities are done and then alongside with that we have to provide emphasis for Nalanda University which is symbol of collaboration in this region. This is a repetition of what I said crystallite and humanity were the basis for the European universities which resolve the information which was new. Now we are having the measure growth in the eastern Asian countries so we have to have core on that. So Sanskrit and the Hindi and also Buddhism these are the core of the East Asian community in the past. So we are now coming up with new way of East Asian community. So revisiting these things would be very important so again we have together around the Nalanda University in order to have the common sense of principles at the university. we have established the college complex so it is not that single university do everything but the each and every university will provide something that they are able to provide so we have university or this is the small schools of the universities and also the individuals who are able to provide any contributions that they are able to have so they are able to gather our strength certainly its starting might not be very large but as a complex we are able to accumulate certain things so that should be symbolic project.

Moderator: Any comments from the floor or panel member?

Prof. D.K. Banwet: Department of management studies pretty impressed with the type of innovative thinking of coming up with this international university. I think back in department we had trying to match the continuity with modernity and this change that is there how to bring about a synergistic approach without forgetting our traditions and yet coming in to modernity. I think this is the lesson or to keep in mind that Nalanda is find the environment at that time was totally different as compare to the environment that we have of today. Our friend from japan very rightly mentioned about how humanity and other things are very important because even the engineering curriculum introduced concepts of humanity, I also learned civics and philosophy and some of the sociology and other subject part of our engineering which was 5 year programme. but I think unfortunately all those subjects are talked as I was mentioning in the previous session that there is lot of specialize deafness and dumbness and there integration is very important that even mathematics and may be mathematics how that can be used some of our Sanskrit lot of our scriptures I teach decision theory and try to bring in the concepts of Bhagwat Geeta of your duty but that does not mean that you don’t try to anticipate what the results are going to be because management you plan your work and work your plan and if you are not looking on those expectation then what have been so I try to put it in a different light that the concepts of Karma, the duty that you do that is in your hands. What is not in your hands is my way of state of nature. You have something which is within your control or something without your control. So like in these rainy days you can take the umbrella or not take the umbrella. What not in your hand whether its rain or does not rain the outcome that you take the umbrella and if it rain you don’t get wet. If you don’t take the umbrella and if it rains, you have to go then maybe you get wet and sick etc. so the outcome there I try to put it in that line so there lot of things which are the management philosophies whether in terms of leadership principles whether Gandhi Ji or many other. lot of these t.v. serials back in india in terms of Chandragupta Maurya and Chankya and many of those things that are there that integration has to be brought in keeping in mind the modern contextual environment in which the whole thing. Let’s not just put lots under one umbrella let’s put it so that this matching is there. Thank you very much.

Mr. Kan Suzuki: Thank you very much. Any other comments? Dr. Togunaka talked about civilization. He talked about hot spot in civilization. Would you like to make a comment?

Mr. Tamotsu Tokunaga: We have very profound discussion here and I am very much moved with that level of the discussion here. Coming back to what I was talking about, we talked about the social science, humanities, philosophy and history. They are very important and I am totally in agreement with this. In other words the social science, humanities and the history and also philosophy, Situation here in japan is very much focus on the western origin and also many people in that field are very much closed with their community. they do not tend to have the openers they see the situation in japan and situation in india but today we listen to the presentation by Nalanda and I was in to great deal. I was able to see the major difference in the nature we see things we have the university history since in our era which is about 1400 years ago. I think it makes sense to do this kind of discussion in japan also in Nalanda. We visit the site and then from the various aspects we are able to learn about many different things. We talked about mergers, we talked about the younger people so it is very important to have get tighter the many different kind of people. We have to have forum in which many different kind of people would meet and try to have the collaboration. 5 years ago if I remember quickly, I was invited to India and had a lecture. That was my first visit to India and then Nehru University I gave a lecture and then we send two students from the India who were sent to us and this year again we have one student coming from Delhi University. This kind of relationship was lacking. We do not have any friction, we have some level of admiration with each other but still we do not have close contact. We were a part, we have some affection with each other but it’s a time that we come. Nalanda could be our focus of attention in that regard. That’s a kind of thing I have in mind. Thank you very much.

Mr. Kan Suzuki: Any other comments from the panel members?

From Audience: Thank you very much for this very enlightening presentation, I am a professor and I teach Hinduism and comparative religion. And this is being my theme song from year now in India we have been excluding the study of civilization and religion. And for the past 63 years somehow we have taught every other subject in the field of science and social sciences but these subjects have been para filled to the main stream education system. So I am extremely grateful to the entire group and especially to our Japanese distinguished presenters who brought to light that it is important to know the limits of science and it is very very important to know how far we should go ahead with the expertization of subject which are materialistically and rationally bound. And I think it’s a historic moment in the educational arena that we are discussing this subject and I congratulate the Nalanda group for presenting this wonderful idea and this is high time that both these sectors streams have to wedded together once they are I think india and japan would lead the world. This is my intuition. Thank you.

Mr. Kan Suzuki: Thank you very much. We have to leave in another 15 minutes so we can have two more short comments anyone from panel or from the floor.

Mr. Kiyoshi Yamada: Our University is more or less specialized in science and technology but because of that in our university for all the students modern civilization theory is a compulsory subject that they have to study. Non technical students study technical things and technical students study non technical things but ultimate theme is that the impact of science and technology on the society. Both of those students will learn that. During the course of discussion about this new university various universities can bring their own knowledge to the new university. So if we can utilize our experience, you can utilize our experience as one of the Japanese university as an attempt probably you can utilize our experience. Thank you.

Speaker from Panel: Earlier Japan and India between universities and researchers and student exchanges is not as advanced as we want them to but in order to solve that issues what are the obstacles have been mentioned but things have not been touched upon one is distance learning, there is a potential possibility to learn further distance learning.  In india learning utilizing distance learning for higher education can be a spread to various areas and that kind of attempts and initiatives are being practices in india like open university system is developing and also in between in japan, Japanese science and technology is traditional things as India’s science and technology like mathematics, religious and philosophy may be both of us should interested in those topics. Utilizing such media technology not only, you don’t have to travel and you can complement our each other strengths by that. Thank you.

Mr. Yoichiro Matsumoto: We have conducted very deep discussion. one things is in connection what Mr. Suzuki mentioned the impact of earthquake disaster on japan is very big by this we learned a lot of things and still we have not digested everything but how we are going to digest what we have learned is what I am thinking about. But with this big impact in the system of technology that we created a complex system that generated that disaster and how to mitigate this kind of disaster is very big issue and challenge that will pose to our world. It’s very difficult to describe this however we have to accept this fact. So while listening to Nalanda presentation, humanity study should also get together but we don’t have specific solution as what we need to do in that respect and this group can study this then if that is the case then India japan new development will evolve from technical perspective researcher. Well india produce a lot of choice a lot of new products and test new products and the products that we have built is what we have building is a front edge technology but new technologies we can make ease of use of these type of products and what will be the ease of use in india, we have to think of the same thing in china. If we create such a new field together with India and japan that will be advantages for japan as well and japan has been trying to capture western civilization. in 1990’s we thought that we are the runner but there is no more model any more if you have taken up and it’s been 20 years since that time that’s the situation we are just running around and in this situation what we need to give a fresh look that is probably china and india specially in japan.  Buddhism was originally from India we accepted that through china and that type of spiritual culture is very deep in sight of us. That exists in mind of every Japanese and how to digest that in challenging a new civilization probably that would be the next topic. That is what I felt today. Thank you

Mr. Kan Suzuki: May be one person from India.

Mr. N.K. Singh: Thank you very much. First of all I am really grateful to the entire panelist and to those from the audience who have made very encouraging suggestions about the future directions of the Nalanda University. I was particularly touched by  the comment was made in the audience about some neglected area of Indian studies  particularly on the fact of humanity oriental language where environmental studies hear to be neglected begin to receive some attention in the Nalanda university. I am also completely agreed that we have to think on a fresh model of cooperation somewhere out of the box which will bring in Asian countries in india, japan and china in to what could be newer models of creating collaborations in the field of knowledge and look to the new challenges that human societies particularly Asian society are going to face in the coming years so I think we need to move away from the way which mindset on the areas of  academic pedagogy and teaching methods in to areas of exploring, some new ways in which it can be done and Nalanda does represent kind of Endeavour on the part of not just india but in collectively Endeavour and part of the east Asian countries which formed part of this declaration and will be jointly done by countries in Asia to rebuild University. As rightly pointed by Mr. Suzuki, not many know that this university is older than Bologania and Older then Azario university which would people thought is the oldest university. Indeed it was much older hence all over from Japan, China as far away from Mongolia and Turkey. I am very grateful to everyone who has made these courageous suggestions for the progress and we look forward to greatly Japanese support and Japanese cooperation in being able to pursue this dream further. Thank you.

Mr. Kan Suzuki: Thank you very much indeed. We had very good discussion. Now it is time to conclude this session. I would like to thank all the panelist and gratitude to all the audience. Thank you to staff for helping. Thank you once again.