Tuesday 6th September, 2011- Academic Forum- India & Japan as the Next Eductaion Hub: Investment Opportunities in a Booming Sector

Mr. Kan Suzuki:  Good morning ladies and gentleman, I was actually a Deputy Education Minister, My name is Kan Suzuki, I’ll served as coordinatoer for this morning session, First of all thank you very much for coming in, so great numbers, we are behind the scheduled, so we would like to start the session by the way.  We like to talk about India and Japan in the future what sort of potential we have in the academic ares as well as Human resources development area and we have various initiatives already in this field so we like to share with you and we would like to explore further poteltial in the future. From Japan we have professor Iga- President, Tokyo Institute of Technology, he is going to introduced himself and we also talked what sort of activities he is engaged right now, Mr. Iga please…

 Mr. Kenichi Iga, President, Tokyo Institute of Technology- As introduced, I am president of Tokyo Institute of Technology and will talk on the Investment in Education Hub by taking the example of my university. As you can see this picture is of the central park of the university which is fully covered by the solar cells to save the energy. The major concern in my university is to establish the academic for global leadership school. This is the graduate school combine master course and doctor course together. Left hand side is the ordinary graduate school may be 2+ 5 years and in central park is a new schools consisting of a master and doctor course. We made the technical ordinary school department and together we made the DOJU a training school like a Kindo or Judo training school.

We started this one in April this year and we are applying in Ministry of Education to get the fund for this kind of leadership graduate school. We already have the summer school shown in the picture on the right hand side which together pickup 50 master course student and to select 10 candidates for PHD course for this particular course. This is aiming at the leadership type PHD, not only for the industries and also the academic and the politician and the working in the world. This is the main concern. The other one is the backhand of the forming of this kind of school. Japanese model for the education is important. This is the dual support system. This consists of the fundamental funds called National University Budget Subsidy and Financial Aid to Private Universities.

This is very important for establish the fundamental back plan of the universities in japan. This may be very strong power to maintain the academic power of Japanese universities. The problem the competitive funds consisting Grants-In-Aid for Scientific Research (Kakenhi) and Project-Based Funds. The center of the excellence is the MEXT education initiatives starting 1996.For this theory I got about 3 million dollar per year for 6 years. The successive projects are 21^st century COE starting 2001 and global I handled as executive director of the JSPS to from this kind of projects. Many of our good practice programme being held for establish graduate school. More recent introduced leading graduate course is major concern in Japanese universities and ministry. Global Jinzai programmes are being running.

Tokodai is the largest technical university in japan and we have 5000 undergraduates and 5000 graduate student. The QS world ranking is 57 this year. We are gathering about 12% of overseas students. From India gradually numbers are increasing. The particular thing is blue one this is post doctor fellows and we are gathering these people for education and research. We are the first in the world this is essential for COE. Tokodai runs 9 programmes. This is TSUBAME 2.0 project. This is new building to save energy. This is new industry and university collaboration building and we recently formed the environmental and energy organization about 220 professors joining for research and education for environmental energy. To survive in those days Tokodai way is to make first in world and also find out new projects that are being running. The important thing is to make the very unique research and education in technical university for filling the future development. Thank you very much for your kind attention.

Mr. Kan Suzuki:  Thank you very much Dr. Iga. Tokodai University is the number one and leading technological university. The next presentation is followed by Monte Cassim, Vice President, the Ritsumeikan Trust, Japan.  Ritsumeiken is the private university located in Kyoto and one of the leading universities.

Monte Cassim, Vice Chancellor, the Ritsumeikan Trust, Japan – I have been in japan for 39 years. Key thing in any university system is to see how we can nurture the next generation in our societies and there are many challenges in our age but the important thing is rise above those challenges. so how can we develop young mind, inspire them to rise above the challenges of the time.

My university system is perhaps 3^rd largest system in Japan. It has 50000 students who are divided among primary school and 4 junior high school and 4 senior schools and two universities. The old university from we started and from where it’s get its name from Ritsumekien means a place to shape your destiny by learning. It is established by a prince he became the prime minister of japan twice and he set up the university as a working man’s law school. Over the years it is grown to become the comprehensive institutions, which has the entire disciple to study except the medical school. It has life science, pharmaceutical, robotics the works. It has its own synctron, its own atom machine. Now from the two universities one is establish in 1969 but the 2^nd one was established 10 years ago and is called the Asia pacific university.  And this university I think is the key because it has half its population is coming from north side of japan. It has 6000 students and 3000 from north side of the japan.

We have 170 students from India. This I think an image of a classroom which I hope to be a classroom in japan 10 years from now. Unfortunately there are lots more room for young people from India to come in to Japanese system. As you can see these are the gaps we have those red dots where we have partners institutions. we have some partners in india but as you can see that Indian ocean area is have bit of a gap and how do we once more to reenergize these partnership so that we can create through our human resource development programmes for the sake of the 21^st century both the oceanic routes and land routes is going to be a challenge. We have established an office in India last year and this office we hope will be part of our new experiment. We have offices in several countries across the world and what we are trying to do with office is to make sure that they serve humanity. So we are trying to link our Indian office to development of India and the south Asian region to see how we can partner with India to work towards the development of your nation. These are some of the invention in our university. Prof. Tanaka has been able to transfer the sense of touch cross side the space and she is using her work, the lady, for distance surgical interventions.

The gentle man on right is Prof. Takakura. He develop some of the world most efficient solar cells but he make fun solar cells and he is been able to make flexible solar cells where you can make clods out of them so imagine wearing your own power house. Prof. Kita uses organic material with IDON connectors can make organic material stronger then steel and perhaps the new generation standard material on the urge of coming out. Like this there are many many inventions and scientific outcomes in japan which are not known to the world outside. The fastest electric kind world develops by Kiaoo University. Sophisticated reverse osmosis filter for transforming sea water in to fresh water by Toray industry. Tscuba University is power robot of flexible structure which moves not with controller but when you think the robo suits get power and the regenerated medicine for repairing damage tads. For long time Japanese science I think has been for japan but it is time I think it should serve humanity and I hope India japan partnership can take this next step. We are in age of rapid transformation, we are in age of uncertainties, we are in age of exclusions but I think with the sense of value both are societies have in japan and India I think we can move forward.

think resilience has been shown in the japan strongest after this last earthquake. Sustainability is something which Japan is going to work towards and innovation and enterprise are two areas where our countries can benefit from. If we can work on these 4 aspects I think we can train huge inspired generation of people who is not just our two countries perhaps humanity as a whole. I am myself exploring a new partnership where university partner with industry to set up a very sophisticated complex of laboratories where our new university and this is a place where I hope high technology of the highest or there is super computer and various infrastructure, digital technologies where this young people from the new university will come from the all over the world to meet the high technologies.

And I think something innovative will come out. It also got the mountains behind the scene front and I think inspiring location is also important innovation to come about. We facilitate, we open in November with 2.3 million yen facility and I hope you can visit sometime and many more young people from India like the ones who are here will come and visit and work here as well. Finally I would like to conclude by saying a key thing in our partnership is to inspire. This slide has taken in India the day after tsunami hit India some years ago. These kids have probably lost their loved ones. They probably had a hard time but they are playing in the sand where the tsunami occurs the previous days and I think this sense of hope is inherent on the human being and the work of education like ours is to transform this pair in to hope and I think we have powerful mandate to do that with the partnership that is about to emerge.

Moderator- Mr. Kan Suzuki:  Thank you very Prof. Monte Cassim. Now I have some other fact, from India to Japanese university the numbers of students is 546 are studying in Japan. Among them number one is APU in terms of number of students from India, studying at APU. Now from India presentation from introduction and presentation from Indian side and India japan specially for exchange for young people from India, coming for India to Japan and from japan going to india and there is you would like to make kick of suggestive and with appreciate india side speeches. First of all co founder of Guruvantage Mr. Aditya Jha will be the first speaker. 

Aditya Jha - Back then when I used to study, we all our friends used to have a dream which called The American dream , go to school in india, go for higher education in USA, UK or Australia pick up a job there come back to india to marry a Indian girl and go back to become an NRI because few years back In India there was lack of opportunities in India in education sector but after 90’s reform, the economic reform, opened up the doors of international companies to set up their business in india, then it is followed by an IT boon and India suddenly became a biggest business process outsourcing destination and most favorite destination for knowledge processing.

This then followed a surge for trained, skilled, educated manpower. And immediately we have seen many governments, private PPP models coming up and establishing infrastructure, establishing schools, colleges, universities and also revamping the existing ones to cater to this demand. Guruvantage realized that in spite of all these efforts being made by government & public people there is still a huge gap between education and employability. So as our HRD minister once said the situation is where in you know the developed countries have got more resources and no jobs. In India you have got lots of jobs but no skilled and trained manpower. The situation is good I would say it’s a happy situation to be in. why because the doors to opportunities always start with challenges and the challenges in India today are the areas where in investments opportunities exist. Infrastructure trained faculties technology integrated learning solutions. Credible industry, academic partnerships these are the very few areas that I can think of having at this point of time where in a huge investment opportunities are there in India. We at Guruvantage are privileged to have pool of 10000 faculties and teachers and trainers across various domains in India.

One of the largest training ecosystems existing at this point in India, we cater to corporate governments SME sector with in india and have been instrumental in steering our relationship with japan through our partners in japan by making a partnership programme a success wherein we invite the people from japan to come, share their experience get trained in the developing world understand the challenges within the developing world and do things with in their organization to make a effective. What I personally believe is japan with its prethore of experience that they have with the kind of process runs systems that they have should be able to share a lot with Indian counterparts so we invite Japanese investors to come up in this area and start investing.

Moderator- Mr. Kan Suzuki:  Thank you very much. There are various Indian young people providing educational programmes from that point of view he made his speech. India japan cooperation to create chances opportunities for young people. I believe that is the good thing.

Mr. George Yeo – Human beings are mixing has never before. This is all about the globalization by technologies and the process of the settling in the future. This is a good thing but also causes stresses and creates new problems. Each culture has separate operating system which links the members of the culture together. And the more important the relationship the more it is rooted in culture the way we welcome children to the world, the way we raise them up, the way we marry, the way we carry out them. The problem now is when people mix, cultures collide and culture relationship can create a lot of problems including political problems and it is always danger that technology moves much faster the ability of culture to mix and if it happens we encounter social culture political problems. The raw education is willing to help and prepare young people for the future before us. There future can be an amazing future but technology by mixing human beings can create a lot of good development progress, new possibilities or we can create a world where we become free and secure, misunderstand one another think words of each other encasing all these opportunities far from being a chief to be dashed. What we need is not to change the operating systems of different cultures because it is impossible. It is too deep when parents are the children they want us to be like them.

What we need to learn the ability to link cultures like the internet protocol TCPIP we should enable to computer to link up operating system to link up hand phones to link up people to communicate on the basis of common standards. Creating additional hyperlinks is a challenge of education in coming years and sometimes when we look ahead we need to be inspired for human beings in the past. Have been able to accomplish and a few of us on the panel today have been involve in remarkable project to revive an Asian university Buddhist inspiration called Nalanda. There will be special session on this in afternoon and we will go in details. But for 100 year’s Nalanda were the first and probably the only university in the world and which have brought together students from everywhere. What we know about Nalanda is through the records of a Chinese monk sherinchen. Whose journey to the west has been immortalizing foot law here in japan? And through the Chinese records all paintings of Nalanda record in library. People travelling from long distances to gain this wisdom.

The Buddhist philosophy of man living harmony with man or man living harmony with nature we shall discuss all the issues. we are discussing issue we are today and most importantly that man living as part of nature these are the ideas should we need for this century then you be a global century and the participation of all over in Asia and beyond. In this project we are help develop and an icon. We should be inspiration for the future so there will be encounter new problems. We come to show our self then there is a time when all of the fathers were able to leave together, close to be together, one another learn from each other and benefit from one another and live aspect of the larger unity. if we can do that this should be a remarkable century.

It is a challenge and the challenge we hope Nalanda will be able to help us over come and response successfully too. and the participation of japan in this projects which is humble and momentous beginning in a very poor part of India that state of Bihar will be extremely important and the cause of that they as we discussed technology the green economy the mixing of the culture I hope that this strain from the past should be a guide for the future.

Moderator Mr. Kan Suzuki: Thank you very much we have to discuss Nalanda so we have Ms. Gopa Sabharwal, VC, Nalanda University.

Gopa Sabharwal - Since there are 3 of us on the panel who are in some way or the other associated with Nalanda project and two of our board members Mr. N.K. singh and Mr. George Yeo are here. I think we have an unfair advantage right now on the dais. What I will do is there is going to be a detailed session on the Nalanda in the afternoon so I won’t take up too much except to say that presentation about the Nalanda is all about the dream and the passion we are trying to create so we have no statistics to give of student strength or anything else right now but we will share our vision with you in afternoon. So I will not say much right now except that I am here to answer during the question answer round because I would like Mr. George Yeo is able to use if we get any extra time, If we get because he will not be here in the afternoon.

Mr. Kan Suzuki:  Thank you very much and then later you answer the question from the floor. Next speaker is Mr. N.K. Singh, Member of Parliament.

Mr. N.K. Singh - Thank you very much Suzuki san. I am grateful for participating in this important session on what could be a growing and promising dimension in the furtherance of indo Japanese economic relationship and indo Japanese relationship in general. My colleagues Mr. George Yeo who is the former foreign minister from Singapore and collaborator in Nalanda project as Gopa said that all three of us from India out of this small panel are really members of the Nalanda university board. So I will not talk about the Nalanda endeavor even though it is important but concentrate on the broad aspect of the indo Japanese framework of the corporation in the area of education. I have 5 points to make since I have 5 minute.

First, the broad statistics in India on the education front right now 2 hundred million children are going to primary school, only 40% of those going to secondary school, and only 11% is going to university, so gross enrollment ratio is 11%. 40% has secondary and of course in the primary education there are difficult challenges. The first important challenge is how to increase the supply side response in India, for secondary and more than that for higher education. This is because in order to take the gross enrollment ratio and moving it up from 11% to let us say 25% means establishing 2000 more universities. There are resource constrains, there are infrastructure constrains, there are kind of problem. How do you get India and japan act together to utilize the capacity better to improve the supply side response in regards to the availability of the education instruction because we have short term problem and long term problem. The immediate short term problem is in terms of demographic pressure. We find that each year supply side is lacking well beyond what demands are growing giving the young nature of our population between now and 2020 and where as government Endeavour in terms of public out lay doing a lot to improve the supply by using capacities which are creating in japan who should be our first important Endeavour.

The 2^nd area where I think collaboration can take place where is right now in terms of shortage the faculties and I find Mr. Dinesh singh right in front of me. And he will bear me out, there is huge shortage of faculties in the IIT’s IIM’s which already exist and there is growing shortage of faculties as govt. sets ups more educational institutions and what can japan do to help us trained faculty members and we trained them better so that they can provide the kind of quality education which we need. of course there is perpetual diagram between accesses in quality and we have to concentrate in both and these are the contradiction or being late comers in realizing the important part of education being the catalyst for sustain the higher rate of the economic growth. Third is india unfortunately have a record that the last ten years of the economic development which have seen the rates of growth of about 9% and above for several years has an unfortunately been adequate job less group. So how to really train people not merely in education skills but the skills provide them with gain full opportunities so that the prospects of the vocational educational is that important are which I believe is in area but I think we have lot to deal, alot to gain what japan has in terms of in training vocation skills to provide gainful employment opportunities.

The 4^th important area is the area and this is an area where one of the Japanese intervention found extremely interesting is what can be the models of gainful public private partnership in the whole area of education. Right now in India we have pretty flexible model. There are three variations where govt. of India is trying in the planning commission 12th 5 year plan. these model are outsourcing, reverse sourcing  in which multiple formed and in which management is only managed in other cases the states provides the infrastructure and there various in that and there is multiple challenges in the state and following multiple areas of PPP so what kind of gain full PPP collaborative efforts are something to which india and japan can really have and the 5^th important area is that india currently unfortunately being a member of the parliament standing committee on education which is currently grappling seven important over a legislation how to prove the entire regulatory framework of education. one of the important area is we have just two foreign university bill in the parliament standing committee and this is going to parliament in the course of the next one or two months so also important legislation is to creating our regulatory framework this will I wish to show my Japanese participants greatly proved the regulatory legal framework for building on the four important ingredient of the participation which I have mentioned.

I think in short in sum up by saying that the creations of indo Japanese economic hub has an important multiply effect not only as a catalyst for sustaining india economic growth it can be win win situation where Japanese technologies Japanese resources Japanese capital and exploring the frontier off humanity which my colleague George Yeo pointed out in a new pattern globalization which we see in terms of seeking great culture collision. That is an area where I think enormous opportunities which we think can be fully cornered. I think this is the future this is a road to go indo Japanese collaboration in creating an education hubs.

Moderator- Mr. Kan Suzuki:  Thank you very much. That was very clear cut communication about the opportunity that India and japan have. The India has larger demand compare with the supply. Situation here in japan is vivacious. We have much higher level of supply compare with demand. We can say this is a win win situation based on the complimentary and also the shortage of faculty. In japan we have the post doctoral issues so we use of post doctoral department so it is a rising concern that we have in Japan. I think we both can work in this area because India has shortage of Faculties and our post doctoral degree holder has no jobs. So the exchange programme can be initiate for rectify this problem.

As mentioned by Dr. IGA they trained in global COE so they have international mind in global, they have experience in global research in study they already have PPP. In japan we have very good power between the public and private involvement for certain project. Not only the public universities in India we says private universities are also a good opportunity to work. In the last ten year situation is not very good. Many people here now having strong concern the based on the stronger request from tax payers as to the efficient improvement of the management of the universities so the universities are requested and required to work on the cost effective management and they are now able to do that.

For the country like India these kind of low cost high value education provision system or the management of the education system can be transferred so the india is committed to create as many as 2000 universities and we are more than ready to provide any help we are able to give of course the quality is phiasko but we are ready to provide support for the initiative taken in india so this is then final speaker in the first session. Mr. Sumit Dullu, Head of Education and Training, IAP Company limited.

Mr. Sumit Dullu – Thank you Suzuki san for allowing me to speak. I would like present to you a thought case in support of the establishment of an alternative vocation base skill development programme. As we have heard from Mr. Singh and Mr. Aditya, there is huge need of skill based man power which is to be address by our nation. The basic premise of inefficient reflective of need base education, Reflective of needs means what is going to be easy to deliver and easy to comprehend, creates interest in the targeted profile of the learners and is a complete by credible certification or assessment programmes which expected by the industry and this also in view of the utilization of the learning and training and whatever is being taught just actually used by the industries and companies.

Now it is going to be the most important links for enablement of a holistically capable scale and delivery orientated work force and availability of these trained and skilled resources right training at the right time and the training given to the right person is going to be a critical enabler for the future key drivers for both the economics. Peculiar scenario, India is a one of the largest youth population in the world. It is projected that more than 6 hundred million people of a young age bracket of 15-25 are going to be available in the year 2015. We are looking for huge dropout rates from the current education system which is expected if we go by the report of Ministry of HRD in 2006. To be 2/3 of what is total enrollment and as Mr. Singh pointed out huge imputers is being provided by the govt. of India to seek the foreign collaboration but still it will cater only to 3% total intended beneficiaries in the academic requirement zone, when we talk about the critical enabler it does not necessarily add up to the fact that it has to be a university pass out or higher education pass out. If you look at the industries like manufacturing, retail, IT, hospitality even logistics, real estate, the total higher education specialized work force requirement is around 20%.

Today statistics tell us that even that is a huge gap which needs to be filled and that needs the higher education, trained forces to skilled enough to take over that responsibility and if we talk about the gaps of the directly employable skilled and instantly productive work force. Which is available at very near location. A very strong case for creating the vast school of critical enabler through vocational base skill development training and education programmes is foreseen. Now the vocation base skill development centers are business case now if you look at it vocational training is already a 1.6 billion market in India and expected to grow at decent 25% rate for the next few years. The govt. of India has already marched over the 300 billion through its programmes. As Mr. Singh told that national skill development policy based on the training requirement it is said that skill development is required at least 250000 such centers are expectance to be settle down in the next few years. The private & corporate sector shall play a major role to win win or business in. A sample simulation on skill resource requirement in the Indo Japanese context large number of Japanese companies shall established there manufacturing and related service spaces in India in next few years.

Numerous Indian corporate shall be engaged with service providers, vendors, logistics, support last minutes support in service providers, the vocation base skill training center shall engagement all the 3 level which include for finishing and orientation to the pool of the resources from the higher education system which includes languages process and customized programme. On the skill development training for locally available resources for training skills depending on the industry type requirement standard equipment machinery process, communication, basic language information and the process which needs to be followed as per the Japanese industry requirement. And there that is a re training and enhance skill development, higher skill deliverables and training on existing skills, which is going to be huge market looking at growth plan for these hires that are going to become on to the board. For example let say manufacturing major typically coming in to India would require around thousand direct work force, it shall engage at least 10 other corporate on its direct business requirement indirectly engaging over 20000 other people which would be from vendors, suppliers, support and service, logistic and which all are related to the ecosystem. Just one major manufacturing industry coming in would require around typically 25000 work forces which is skilled.

And these 25000 skilled resources shall be created through our network of vocation base skilled development center. Let’s assume just 10 Japanese majors coming in to the pictures. We are talking about the quarter millions skilled resources which are going to be required to carry on the business. now these quarter million resources needs to be indentified and trained through a standard based delivery programme and would need of both pre employment and on site certification and assessment through very proven methodologies which are in tune with the verticals and the industries that are going to utilize these skills. Now looking at a larger picture the vocation based skilled development center shall create the critical enabler and shall be a corner stone for creating a new world of skilled man power not only for the India japan context but for the entire world.

But now looking at the current scenario we see by next 4-5 years india would have the biggest employable manpower available to provide to the world and in the context of japan with the impedance growth and the expansion plan across different geography and the skilled manpower is going to be one of the critical enablers that would be looked at from and india japan can both benefit from the fact that india would have the surplus and would be customize as also customized and trained to the requirement of these specific industries. About IAP Company, we are already running skilled development programme which are center around the eager one initiatives and the industry requirement at this point of time in a private model. Around 18 locations that we covered today in India. We are planning to have 300 such Indian inclusion centers by end of this financial year.

Moderator-Kan Suzuki: Thank you very much. This session we are holding today is now telling us wha kind of things we can do together between India & Japan. It is now becoming favorite so I do think that this is very successful session. Today Dr. Iga and Dr. Cassim, two universities are present here. In Japan we have one more type of university so we can say there is a group of universities which is different. this may come under Tokyo university of technology has institute of technology has a long history but in 1945 Japan was having difficult time after the defeat in world war 2 and after that we had new schools out of these mess then they had their vocational schools and then vocational school started to have has two year junior school in university.

And in the last several years we see the world revolution from the junior college to universities, 4 years university and colleges so the going back to mentioned by the Mr. Dullu we have two universities and the today and also we can have collaborations between these two universities and other universities based on vocation development so in terms of the vocational development these new kind of the universities could be some assistance to the India. We tell logistics real estate or the industries a base on the total quality control which was born by the time when Japan was considered to be number one. We had 50 Japanese industrial structures so looking at the supply side we, the people, we do have plenty of supply side which is ready to make these people with high quality but demand is getting smaller. This is a concern we have. India situation is such that you have high demand where able to utilize last number of graduate from university high level quality this is again we mean relation so we have one round of initial remark. From now we would like to have discussion.

We talked about the operating system. Mr. Yeo spoke about the TCTIP and into hyperlink the connection is emphasis and I totally agree with you in looking at the India china relationship. We have 114 at the quality alliance between universities so we do have links however having set back these links are very thin. Certainly we sincerely hope that these links will be broad and deepen starting point we are now getting in to second stage starting today. This is a session education starting day a new era where we have broader and the deeper links. So we can have the brief and good idea from the human beings. And my background is information technology and the here most important in order to enhance to what we can do. We would like to have solicitation, the panelist from japan and also from India so we would like to speak about the things we can do have about universities in India in what way india is able to establish as many as 2000 Universities. Nalanda University is the starting point.

The Nalanda University is the first example where japan and India can collaborate to established the university so we are able to accumulate high level of the expertise and knowledge and also trust and confidence. So that will be a very important first step so in that prospect the Nalanda University re establishment is quiet significance. Now next step is in what way we are able to scale up this activity. We would like to listen to opinion from the panelist.

Mr. Cassim - I think the challenge that you faced of the new university that you be possibly building in the next few years was also a challenge faced china some years ago and japan and china came along with the partnership agreement where this new universities could be established and the old university could be enhanced.  And my university system worked with Japanese govt. and the Chinese govt. to train administrated universities so that they would not be government universities in the old world but they were be like Japanese private university the reason I say this because Japanese private university receive only 10 percent operating income as government subsidy but have trained 75% of japan graduates from university institutions. so this Japanese privatization education model might be of interest to you and I think a partnership of Japanese public and private universities can come together to have create such a platform, some experiment have been done by japan and Egypt and I think that Egypt japan university a good example.

There is other in Malaysia. But the way is open I think for a huge possible partnership to take place. The second aspect is your interest in Nalanda. I am really grateful that you took up this subject because history and the future are link by the present unless we who live in the present my conscious say let’s do this. This is the future generation we are losing a large part of human heritage wisdom. I think this is very good symbolic issue you are taking up and culture factor is that vibrate well the Indian qualities, culture and sympathizes. So I think some kind of symbolic project of programme will be my second suggestion. Perhaps as Mr. George Yeo has pointed out something that Nalanda could be a platform which can go not only in one place but in several occasions where the past and the future but link what we do in the present. So the science and technology with this historic wisdom if we can create a platform that could be a second area.

The third area would be I think, we have a huge debate in our university system as to whether we should shrink our universities and I think this is a crime, because over time we build an expertise and knowledge and the shrink this university system…because Japanese young people are falling in numbers is not the answer what Japan;s Univesities systems should do try to serach these reasons and countries like India where the serging demad in short terms cann’t be met and if we can pull our hands and hearts together I think we can  make something come out of it and finally I think both our countries have not properly addressed this very important aspect of using information technology education, we are still stuck in the old bricks and watermoulds and 75% of our investments go into bricks and mortars, so is there some new way by which wisdom can be transmitted with less bricks and mortars and more investment and knowledge so on and transmission systems, thank you.

George Yeo: I would like to point three things one is promote the educational system, I think we should make the hub universities in Japan to to help for expamle the Indian Universities, right now as mention by Cassim San we are helping the Egypt to make the Egyast…but the manpower is limited for the moment so, I think the arrangement by the government to make the hub university in some countries and uni9versities and to gather people and to gather the manpower all of the universities. Now in Japan we have 800 universities only eight hundred less than two thousand as in India. Second one as mentioned by Mr. Suzuki as the post doctaorate fellow utility, large capacity of the post doctorate fellow  we have, so we make some arrangements to make a ten year track to use the post doctorate man power for helping the overseas universities and the third thing is for example the JSPS are running the post doctorate fellow, JSPS fellow sustems, when I was the university professor I trained the India students, Ph.D students and they came back to India became the faculty right now, so think to help the JSPS fellowship to increase the kind of the faculty to training systems, I think thsese the good chance for promote as mention by the people from India. Thank you very much.

Kan Suzuki: I would like to thanks all the panelists and now I wouyld like to conclude the session.